you are still figuring out, how do i get out of this. the next thing is how do i survive? i didn t know if i d be able to withstand another hit like that. where is your gun? i keep it on my hip. i said, the get back, or i m going to shoot you. his response, he immediately grabbed the gun and said, you re too much of a [ bleep ] to shoot me. i can feel his hand trying to come over moon and get inside the trigger guard and shoot me with my own gun. that s when i pulled the trigger for the first time. what happened? it didn t go off. the gun was being jammed by his arm on top of it. i tried again. again another click. this time, i thought this has to work or i m going to be dead. he s going to get this gun away from me. something is going to happen. i m going to be dead. i pull a third time and it finally goes off. that s was the first time you d ever used your gun, right? yes, it was. in all your years as a police officer. yes. then what happens?
i say, get back, or i m going to shoot you. he grabbed it and said, you re too much of a [ bleep ] to shoot me. i can feel his hand trying to come over mine and get inside the trigger guard and try and shoot me with my own gun. that s when i pulled the trigger for the first time. what happened? it didn t go off. the gun was being jammed by his hand on top of the firearm. i tried again. again another click. i thought this has to work or i m going to be dead. he s going to get this gun away from me and i m going to be dead. i pulled a third time and it finally goes off. what happens? he gets even angrier. the aggression increases. he comes back in at me again. i wasn t looking at him. i was like rack it, expecting another hit and put my gun up and fired. then i go to exit my car. when i m getting out, i use my walky and said, shots fired. send more cars. i start chasing after michael brown. why not stay in the car? he s running away.
that this was a clear and present danger and i said looking at him or were you now moving. i said that as i was retrieving my pistol. where was your pistol? it was in my glove box. where do you routinely keep that pistol? in my glove box. is that the same pistol we saw here today? yes, it is. does that pistol fit all the way down deep into that holster? yes, it does. that is the holster you would use for concealed carrying. if you are concealed carrying it, it is not open carry like you see in the wild west where the cowboys can grab their trigger and pull? right. that s inside the waistband holster. does that trigger guard, that holster, cover that trigger guard? yes, it does. you can see how it is molded over. when the gun fits in, it completely covers the trigger
these? yes, sure. you have done this your whole career. yes, i have handled many guns. to show the jury, this is no the how it would sit inside the holster? right. it would be going in a bit furth. in fact, you can see an outline of the trilogier guard right here on the holster? yes, that s correct. so that means it would go all the way in, would you agree with that? yes, i would. isn t it true if that wasn t packaged for the state this way, you would never be able to fire the gun like that in the holster, because you couldn t get your finger on the trigger? i can t tell if you would be able to slip your finger in there. the way you can see the trigger guard. i would think you probably couldn t but unless i saw it in there, i couldn t say for sure. because it is packaged by the state this way? because it has the zip tie, which keeps me from putting it on. what is the manufacturer s trigger pull poundage? i am not sure what they have
teller s head. one thing that must be going through her mind is, am i going to be shot in the head? am i going to be tragically injured in this scenario? clearly fingers within the trigger guard. everybody s making snap decisions, and sometimes they make the wrong decisions and, obviously, these decisions last a lifetime. while detective watka looks at security camera footage, the crime scene is examined by illinois state police crime scene investigators. crime scene services finds two pieces of physical evidence that may help track the thieves. there were some zip ties that were left by the offenders. the tellers were zip tied, their hands together, one of the zip ties was left at the scene. that was photographed. and little did i know, there s different sizes, different kinds, different colors. small pieces of evidence, but we didn t know if they touched the zip ties prior to putting gloves on, we potentially would have dna. also the rain provides investigators a big break. an