balloons for him running for president in the past and each of those trial balloons was not popped by anybody on the outside. it was popped by deval patrick s wife. she has been a hard no on this. almost was a hard no on him ever running for governor. he had to talk her into this. she is not somebody that enjoys the public spotlight from what i understand. how did he convince her? well, this is what we i m glad you re catching on that. one thing that s been very public is that she has been struggling a lot with health issues. when you looked at his statement 11 months ago in december of 2018 as to why he would not run in 2020, he focused on what the campaign would do to his family. now that he appears to be close to jumping in the race this time, you have to think the number one key thing that s changed has been his family. you know, it s not lost on me that as supposedly these candidates jump in, bloomberg and patrick because they say
congressman from florida now msnbc political crontributor david jolly and also our politico reporter. in the face of damning testimony from gordon sondland u.s. ambassador to the eu, senator graham is insisting that the allegations facings president are part of some larger are conspiracy. david, look, there is nothing new about floating trial balloons, see what resonates, see if there is a line of argument that would work for you. but what do you make of the sondland shift conspiracy theory and one of the president s biggest dwernds s s defenderg they couldn t pull off a quid pro quo, they aren t smart enough. yeah, the latest defense is that donald trump is too stupid to pull off a crime. and the problem is all of the corroborating evidence says they knew exactly what they were doing and all of the evidence of career diplomatic core and as well as political friends like
releasing the official notes. and then even as the impeachment investigation was under way, very publicly trying to involve other foreign governments. china should start an investigation into the bidens because what happened to china is just about as bad as what happened with ukraine. trump is somebody who constantlys ratchets up his behavior. once hes gets h away with someg he tries a something more extre. authoritarianem regimes, politil scientists refer to these as trial balloons. where you try something. think it s normal. you accept it. you move on to something and test themo limits. that s why the last few years have l gotten crazier and crazi. this appears to be a case where we made a promise. congress appropriated the money to deliveria weapons and then i was held up for political reasons. the more that happens, the more people all over the world say i don t think i can trust the united states. thatth trust in the country d
and others participate. guardrails. and then second i would say read the tweets they are the unedited comments of the commander in chief and then follow the troops an the money and policy because oftentimes he has tested these are trial balloons and in this case the tweets have become the policy. and that is obviously concerning. i want to turn to one other topic having to do with national security. acting chief of staff mick mulvaney acknowledged this week that president trump withheld military aid to ukraine, almost $400 million worth until ukraine committed to investigate matters that the president obviously feels will benefit him political, whether it is the 2016 election or hunter and joe biden. what do you feel as somebody who feels deeply about the aid, the lethal aid needed for ukraine to defend themselves from russia and pro-russian separatist, what do you make of military aid being used that way.
is not just the president or executive branch and congress and others participate. guardrails. and then second i would say read the tweets they are the unedited comments of the commander in chief and then follow the troops an the money and policy because oftentimes he has tested these are trial balloons and in this case the tweets have become the policy. and that is obviously concerning. i want to turn to one other topic having to do with national security. acting chief of staff mick mulvaney acknowledged this week that president trump withheld military aid to ukraine, almost $400 million worth until ukraine committed to investigate matters that the president obviously feels will benefit him political, whether it is the 2016 election or hunter and joe biden. what do you feel as somebody who feels deeply about the aid, the lethal aid needed for ukraine to defend themselves from russia and pro-russian separatist, what do you make of military aid being used that way. this is als