decision. and then we all face a greater risk and people who listen to this stuff face a greater risk of death. as i showed you, things are getting better nationally. covid is dropping. that is still the statistical trend line. but the trend line doesn t have to be this slow. the ups and downs don t have to last this long. we can do better if we learn the truth. i m joined now by dr. zeke emanuel who knows these well. he was an obama white house policy adviser and at the university of pennsylvania and katy an msnbc analyst. doctor, i m doing my level best here which may not be good enough. we re all trying to go through this long-term problem with facts and empathy. i m curious what you think. should we all have empathy for these people who were misinformed, who were, i