you have three major contenders going for it. so, we need a rationale two party system. we don t have one right now. it s an unfair question to ask you with only a minute left, it was so struck when the former french ambassador to the united states says that he said that le pen has a 30% chance of beating macron. i wonder if you re looking at the past, macron himself said that brexit, donald, trump look at those things. but what do you think a boat. ..? president biden has talked about this from the campaign trail forward. the dividing struggle for the generation s democracy versus autocracy. it is free government versus self government versus authoritarian, trend authoritarianism. i was struck by your guest saying. i love that he points out, i was ambassador when donald trump won.
trail forward. the dividing struggle for the generation s democracy versus autocracy. it is free government versus self government versus authoritarian, trend authoritarianism. i was struck by your guest saying . i love that he points out, i was ambassador when donald trump won. so, i can believe anything. that was functionally what he was saying. so, again, it s not that we shouldn t be surprised . i don t mean to be world weary or cynical. but this is a global phenomenon. the current conversation, you know, there are elites that are out of touch. there is income inequality. there is an enormous amount of work to do to make promises and possibility real for everybody. the way to achieve that is not to trend toward autocracy. jon meacham, with very important conversation on a