60 which is what kaseya is claiming, working with a forensic company to help them determine exactly what happened. it is still very serious, and we re seeing people being impacted, supermarkets closed, other organisations being impacted, but it certainly could have been far worse. but it certainly could have been far worse. you say it could have been far worse. you say it could have been - been far worse. you say it could have been worse, . been far worse. you say it i could have been worse, but is it is extremely worrying that this sort of activity seems to be happening more and more frequently, despite the fact that we thought the good guys had sort of got the upper hand in response to the dark side ran somewhere attack on the us pipeline, the us authorities got their money back that was paid, it was finally fixed, we felt like we were ahead in this and yet here we are again with many companies globally exposed and being held to ransom. for sure we don t and being held to ransom
wanting to travel more sustainabl. . . sustainably. so what are you offerin: sustainably. so what are you offering at sustainably. so what are you offering at contiki sustainably. so what are you offering at contiki to - sustainably. so what are you offering at contiki to make i offering at contiki to make someone s holiday that much more sustainable? someone s holiday that much more sustainable? well, contiki has done a more sustainable? well, contiki has done a few more sustainable? well, contiki has done a few things more sustainable? well, contiki has done a few things and i more sustainable? well, contiki has done a few things and a i more sustainable? well, contiki has done a few things and a lot| has done a few things and a lot of it was predated to covid. we have a sustainability strategy in place which focuses on 11 goals that we believe have the most impact to the biggest issueis most impact to the biggest issue is that the climate is facing right now, like climate
aren t exercising good standards of care with their systems. they are not patching the systems properly, not strongly authenticating their users, they are not backing up their systems and having good backups ready for restoring when they do fall victim to somewhere, so there is a number of things that organisations can do to better protect themselves and be better prepared for when these events occur. ~ , . , ., occur. well, we shall see how this one pans occur. well, we shall see how this one pans out. occur. well, we shall see how this one pans out. thank i occur. well, we shall see how this one pans out. thank you | this one pans out. thank you for being on the programme. stay with us on bbc news, still to come: how news, still to come: to take your holiday in a sustainable how to take your holiday in a sustainable and responsible way, we will talk to a company thatis way, we will talk to a company that is aiming to convince travellers to prioritise the planet. central london ha
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using the most eco friendly fleet of coaches, we are also subbing some of our coaching for trains, subbing some of our coaching fortrains, being subbing some of our coaching for trains, being a subbing some of our coaching fortrains, being a more subbing some of our coaching for trains, being a more eco friendly way to travel around. we are looking at, or we have implemented renewable energy at our owned properties, and we are also looking at ways that we can actually on the ground make a difference with the communities and people that are visiting. communities and people that are visitinu. , . , visiting. and ust really briefly. visiting. and ust really briefly, what- visiting. and just really briefly, what markup . visiting. and just really i briefly, what markup does all of that put on someone s holiday. what percentage or are they paying because of that? well, nothing actually because all of these costs are on contiki, we are absorbing because we believe that this is the w