received immunity from any prosecution and michael cohen was his lawyer and he s cooperating as well. does it make any difference that the president says he never reimbusinessed american media for that $150,000 payoff to karen mcdougal? so much turns on what was said at that meeting. if there was a representation that he would pay and later there was a decision not to pay, the simple fact at some point, and my legal train sag little bit out of date, that if you make that recommendation as part of the agreement, that that has great that has an element of an offense. reporter: the president argues, he did in a tweet, that he never directed, his words, michael cohen to break the law. he said cohen was a lawyer and should have known what the laws were, why he hired and paid cohen a lot of money. what do you make of that defense? it s not particularly compelling. i think, first of all, there s an obligation to on everyone