opportunity to hear this evidence. i think one of the things that s really going to be important here is when they hear this evidence they re going to understand that a lot of the procedures that were used in this white house were serious deviations from what has come before. these were career people who were alarmed by some of the actions this white house took with regard to this foreign power. that will bring home what the democrats are trying to hammer down right now. jennifer, when you look at this in the criminal context of things that are alleged, that the house is looking at that would be potentially high crimes by the president, sooner or later he has to speak to that. this week seemed to shift his emphasis because he said, well, we have to get off process and defend what i did. of course, that might be harder than it looks. here is how he has been defending that. take a listen. there was no quid pro quo. there was nothing. that call was perfect. it couldn t have been nic
confessing his goal here is to get foreign help so there isn t a fair election. right. one huge difference between this impeachment inquiry and the mueller investigation, the mueller investigation was looking backwards at the 2016 election. this is looking forward at an effort to influence the 2020 election. and, so, you know, to say, well, it was really just okay or it doesn t rise to the level of impeachment, and i agree. i think that is where we re going to wind up in the republican s defense, the american public will have to decide whether they think that s good enough and whether they think the kind of trade jennifer outlining earlier, aid for helping dig up dirt on your presidential potential to boopp. not just now but in the future. we re talking about the standards going forward for presidents in both parties. we re also talking about how the rest of the nation and culture understands this. is it, quote, unquote, one more washington set of bickering which does not move peop
grounds for impeachment, treason, bribery. that goes to what you are talking from the criminal per spect, can you point to simple things and say this is corrupt, this is a bribe, this is a high crime. jennifer, thank you so much for joining us. we continue here onset and turning to how this house vote tees up a different kind of lawyering on capitol hill. for that we welcome a former congressional senior counsel, tom rogers, who has been on both sides of high stakes hearings on washington, having served as a senior executive at tivo and nbc. he s also at the sports betting company where he s executive chairman. thanks for being here. thank you. the congress is not always credited for doing great, clear hearings. true? absolutely true. you have been there as a senior counsel. what is key in your view now that the whole country has been put on notice they will do televised hearings? you have to remember who you are playing to and who the ultimate jurors are here.
likewise china should start an investigation into the bidens. you have to ask rudy those questions. don t ask me. i answered everything. do you know who is playing into the hoax? people like you. jennifer, does the house impeachment hearing stage of this process push him and his team past what he s been doing, which are those vague redirects? you know, i hope so. what we just heard there was clearly impeachable conduct as well as a commission to, you know, criminal offense of bribery. but i just want to address what you asked, which is what is his team going to do? and the problem we re facing here is unfortunately house republicans are mistaking their role. they re acting like they are trump s team, like they re his criminal defense attorneys. and instead they took an oath to the constitution of the united