the same. i do believe that there is something to what you re saying which is that you know, there is a spobsresponse to a very a very quick response online where people said, the first ways that these people were described, were not in these very very negative ways that we associate with. and even if you say, biker, gang outlaw in the american zeitgeist, these are somewhat romanticized figures, in a way. because the biker image, the outlaw image, is always but has historically roll a shot of the people who were arrested the people in the gang here. there s a shot of them if you look at it. what is a good word? look at these people! not all of these people are white. not all of these people are white. a good word would be the same word which is you want no! a good word the same word i want every american to evaluate criminality the same way, rather than in different ways because of the way that a
flip the bird to one of them. those brothers are going to stick together. that s exactly what the gang the organizations are. and that s what people are dog? i m sorry, go ahead. but these brothers though they are still finding weapons from this weekend. i mean if this is about camaraderie, why do you need to be loaded and armed to the hilt? why? i mean that doesn t seem to be about camaraderie? well believe it or not, people go out together shooting. they don t shoot other people. they go out together either hunting or shooting targets. it s a man i guess it s a manly thing. i mean. i haven t been able to touch a weapon for 38 years, because i m a felon. but before that i used to like to go shooting with my brothers. we d make a target and it s something that we d do. that doesn t mean that they re criminals. you know there s outlaw motorcycle gangs in america. there are also they call them american motorcycle association,
well i think what happened this weekend looks terrible. something went off, okay. some bad mistakes. i also heard, i have my sources that were at the scene, and it sounded like some cops were doing some shooting also. so it went bad. it started inside with fist-to-fist worked its way out, somebody pulled a gun, and it s on when you have that many organized people together like that biker gangs. biker groups. you know it s very sad that it happened. every one of them is not like that. but someone started it. you don t do that. there are certain things you don t do you don t wear colors from another gang into an area a state, a city, a county that other motorcycle clubs have sore you re looking for trouble. you re going there for trouble. so they deliberately wanted to provoke a fight. and that s what you believe. because you believe that someone came in from another town a biker gang that wasn t invited
the face to them saying we don t respect you. we re equal to you and we are as much entitled to this state as you are. you guys heard billy say that he doesn t believe there s going to be anymore violence like there was, that no one will be shooting at police officers and so on. do you guys agree with that? i agree with that. i don t think these guys are that stupid to do that. terry? i agree that you won t see overt, in my opinion, violence. but you ve got to understand it. there are people who will try to curry favor with these gangs that will do something violence and try to use that to step into the gang or step up in the gang. anytime anybody tells me they re going to hurt me i believe them. is this the same as street gangs where they have a no-snitching policy? is this their code as well terry? absolutely. if you re a snitch there s phrases like snitches get stitches but they re also going to kill them.
they ve already recovered, the knives the chains with padlocks on them. so the 100-plus weapons that they said that they had already recovered, that number is climbing don. and kyung, what are you learning about the bikers killed in sunday s massacre? any new information about that? reporter: there was a preliminary autopsy report that was released today. the waco police department have asked us to refrain from reporting the names, but we have learned a few details. every single one of the nine bikers who was killed was killed by a gunshot wound. and they are all between the ages of 27 to 65. kyung lau reporting to us from waco. thank you very much. i want to talk with steve cook who worked undercover in a gang and executive director of the midwest outlaw motorcycle gang investigators association. also billy queen is a retired atf agent and the author of under and alone, the true story of the undercover agent that infiltrated a motorcycle