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but the fighting is intense. john and sandra. sandra: mike, a follow-up there on what is happening right around kyiv and the ability for those ukrainian forces, it sounds like, to gain some more ground. you know, we talked yesterday about that town of makariv, due west of the capital city. and now irpin, and another town northeast, and all the way up to lutz, on the reservoir. if they have that, they do control a swath of land or a line right in front of the north of the capital city. there is a lot of internet traffic indicating, or trying to tell the tale that the ukrainian forces have swept around and encircled the russian forces. we don t know anything to disprove that, but i m not ready to stick my neck out there yet and say that is happening. john and sandra. john: go to the touch screen to get people perspective on the big map as to what you are

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