say. i don t agree with torture. i think enhanced interrogation does work when you re not hurting someone permanently. i think we can be enhanced and we can be smart and catch them in lies and get the truth of them. final question to you because you re the guy to ask. there was such debate between what we heard from the cia last week and from this torture report as to whether or not the information through enhanced interrogation techniques or torture led to finding, hunting down and you shooting the bullet that killed osama bin laden. do you think that helped you find him and kill him? absolutely, it did. they found khalid sheikh muhammad. they had him in detention for a while. used the techniques and i m convinced they knew where he was the whole time and weren t telling us because we were being nice. they told us we found them and ultimately my team killed him. robert, thanks again. thank you for having me.
11th as we speaking in franken s senate office a few miles away john brennan was criticizing the senate torture report. you said it shows the cia law lied to the public, lied to the president for some time. uh-huh. should there be and to the senate. and to the senate. should there be consequences for that lying? i m thinking about that. you re talking about whether people should be prosecuted? should people who are currently working at the cia be fired? should anyone be brought before a court to have a trial and then depending on the outcome of the trial, should anyone go to jail? you know, i haven t thought that through. we have tended to not look back at this in a way that is about holding people responsible. maybe that s wrong. we are a country that
it s a real challenge to police and law enforcement because there has to be intense scrutiny and surveillance and looking for any possible indicators of someone who could act like this. you have groups attacking the police, who they feel is too much activity. the fact is, the threat is real. is that hyping it? okay, i am loathe to agree with congressman king on anything. but i will agree with him on half of what he said. we would make a mistake if we did not if we did not fear a lone wolf. that s what the australian authorities were saying about this guy in australia, that he was a lone wolf. and we ve known since 2009 when the report came out, from the department of homeland security, that that was the number one concern of homeland security, and everyone else in the bush administration self-generated terrorism? right. home-grown terrorism
american citizen on a cell phone making a last call to his four young daughters shortly before he burns to death in the upper levels of the trade center in new york city on 9/11. ron, good point. everybody here thought that was a good point he made. explikate how that relates to this question of whether or not we should have a program which many people believe it s torture. i don t have tears for terrorists. i have tears for friends i lost on 9/11. i have tears for the families who are going through pain to this very day. if you look at what the white house did with george w. bush in the lead here, he made a determination to go into the justice department, that these techniques were legal. they were harsh, but they were legal. the cia suspended the program twice, they said we need to make sure that we re doing this in the way that it s proper and in fitting with the way the united states treats detainees. this report is the most
and joining me now is new york times national security correspondent mark ma zetty. mar mark, in the midst of all we ve been covering about the torture report and issues of isis, for this to happen, it was logical that people would be concerned that this was a lone wolf somehow inspired by isis. it does seem like this is a case of someone with a very specific criminal past and his own behavior issues and criminal case pending. right. i mean, it is easy for people under any kind of banner to carry out violence so we have to sort of wait and let things settle to find out exactly what the facts are. as we found out in this country, there are people so-called lone wolves who carry out attacks, whether it was ft. hood or other attacks. so to try to draw conclusions about why this person did this at this moment i think is a little too soon. again, the counterterrorism