we ought not treat a traitor like a martyr. in addition to manning, president obama also issued a pardon for a former key member of his national security team, retired marine corps general james cartwright who is also a former vice chairman of joint chiefs of staff was due to be sentenced this month for talking to the new york times about a top secret program that infected iran s nuclear program with a computer virus. the times argued the former general was trying to talk the paper out of publishing the report rather than leaking information. he plead the guilty to making false statements during a deral investigation. joe? a lot to unwind here, david ignatius, but let s start with the manning decision by the president. obviously, yet another reason for the intel community to shake their head and wonder what the hell is going on with elected leader in washington, d.c.
is that the white house is now asking people to trust them when just a few weeks ago, the white house didn t want to trust the public with the information that this program is going on so there s kind of a credibility gap here that some of the members at this hearing today pointed out. it s just difficult for the president to say he welcomes this debate when as of two weeks ago this was a top-secret program that he insisted had to be kept under raps. josh, in that sound that we played, you heard the question what about transparency and the president answered, well, we have the fisa court. we seems to be confusing transparency with court oversight. the oversight, i think, is good, whether it s individualized is actually open to significant debate when you look at the provisions of the patriot act being used and the one big warrant that we have seen. having said that, fisa is a secret court and supposed to be a secret court and we all know that. are we pretty far away from a good and d
congress or the federal judges to make sure we re abiding by the constitution, we re going to have some problems. there, you see congress trying to exercise its oversight responsibility over director clapper and the intel community and they were misled, richard. well, i will say again, i think it is a very difficult situation when, in an open hearing, the director of national intelligence is asked about a secret program. what should he have done? i don t know what he should have done. lied? i don t know if when ron wyden said i gave his office a chance to amend the answer after the hearing was over. what should he have done then. i don t know what ron wyden is doing asking the director of intelligence about a program he knows is top secret. one could ask the same question about mr. widen. why is he asking a question about a top secret program in this middle of an open hearing. let s go to the suggestion of trust. i think the polling suggest
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security, since september 11th the two are in heated conflict and that came into sharp focus this week. we now know the government obtained a secret warrant in april ordering verizon s business services division to turn over data on every call. it is the extension of a top secret program going on for years. the obama administration says the national security agency is compiling data. nobody is listening to your telephone calls. that s not what this program is about. it looks like this data mining, the collection of vast amounts of information, went beyond simply phone calls. reports followed that the government is tapping directly into the servers of nine leading internet companies including microsoft, yahoo! google, facebook, aol, skype and apple. several companies deny they handed over information and the government admits for the past six years it has been collecting information on foreigners overseas from the nation s largest internet companies. now a report that the data