collins would be a no . if that is the case, then they can t lose any more votes. murkowski is very much in doubt. and i think there are others who are very much in question, like from ohio, they had medicaid expansion. and west virginia, that is a stage that would lose. and also the two senators from iowa. tony ernst and chuck. it so i think that s the playing field is a little bit bigger than we have been thinking. and they cannot lose any of the senators if susan collins and rand paul go against the graham-cassidy bill. heather: so obviously, that makes the meeting between pens and the governor all the more important, and a john mccain had said that he would go the way of his governor, and his governor there in arizona has said that he will support the bill. so do you think that of course, we are now being told that mccain is still carefully