once again, we ll go to the mayor of new york, bill de blasio, as soon as he starts speaking in new york. in the meantime, let s discuss what s going on. benjamin crump, the attorney for michael brown s family, is here. he also represented, as a lot of our viewers will remember, the family of trayvon martin down in florida. mr. crump, thanks once again for joining us. were you expecting an indictment out of this grand jury here in new york, ben? i was. i was because of video. i talked to the family s lawyer, who we represent another unarmed african-american killed in new york. and we were saying the video there, it s going to be difficult for them not to indict him. but we know the system normally don t indict police officers for killing people of color. and we were troubled by the fact that they gave immunity to all the other officers except the officer who had the choke hold, and that was, in our minds saying, this doesn t seem right, because the coroner said the cause of death was
jury, if the and as you point out, if the prosecuting attorney is sort of ambivalent about it. and wolf, what we have is this thing, we ve set up that says, every time a police is charged, they ve got to go to a grand jury. why is that? why can t they be treated equally like the citizens? due process is just this notion that everybody is supposed to be equal. the little black boy lying dead on the ground and the police officer. so why do we change the rules when it s our children lying dead on the ground? we have to say to people, if we want them to have faith in the system, it s going to be based on the constitution, it s going to be transparent, and you get to see it all play out, so you ll see it s fair. when you have these secret grand jury proceedings, it builds the mistrust. and as president obama just said, we ve got to do less talking and more acting to say we ve got to do things differently. we ll hear what the mayor of new york, bill de blasio, has to say in a few momen
using a choke hold, which is a banned procedure, you have eric garner saying 11 times, i can t breathe. you have a medical examiner who ruled it a homicide by choke hold. it s all on video. we see him die. and there s no indictment. sunny, how do you explain that? i can t explain it. it seems to me this screams for a doj investigation. it screams for a review of the grand jury process. because it seems to me that prosecutors that work day in and day out, with officers shouldn t be tasked with presenting an indictment or, if, you know, evidence for indictment in front of a grand jury. i don t think that this process works. you have to have a special
hold, compression to the back, and other things. and the officer only had the throat, that they were looking to indict. the other ones also should have been looked at as well. so we were worried, but we thought, with this video, it was going to happen. on my social media account, wolf, everybody have been saying, you see attorney crump, you keep pushing for body cameras, that won t make a difference. we got all the video here, we just don t care about our lives, and i reject that. i do think the body cameras work. the videos work. it s not a problem with the videos, it s a problem with the system. and until we change this system, we re going to keep getting the same results and it s so unfair. because the grand jury, that was reviewing this over these past several months, what, about 24 members, and almost half of them, we described as, more than half were white, but the other, more than almost half were nonwhite. so it was a mixed grand jury that considered all the evidence that w
will face terrorism charges according to a doj sources. now once those charges are brought forward he will be arraigned from their preliminary hearing will be set and he will be indicted on grand jury. also facing federal charges, right now he s in federal kus i can custody and will face federal charges and could face state charges of murder but from there a deal should be worked out between federal authorities and state authorities. again so far no charges have been filed but we re hearing from sources that those charges will be brought soon. what kind of differences in penalties are there for the state and federal charges? clearly that s what prosecutors will want to look at very carefully. absolutely. on the state level, because we are in the state of massachusetts, we would not be able to face a death penalty. there is no death penalty here in massachusetts, but because of federal charges supersede the state charges he could still face the death penalty on the