do you think some of the new ways of building alliances that we are seeing at the right approach chris mccann thinking specifically of the deal that the uk and the us and australia did, aukus, to help australia build nuclear submarines, and for a lot of people that is seen as quite a departure in the way things have been done, whether it is the west focusing on energy through nato or the intelligence sharing deal. what you make of the aukus deal? i am a fan and i think. it is a strategically canny move, and an important piece of long term thinking. - and the reason i think- that is i suppose a lesson i do have from life that i have learned in my career- is you should worry- about the things you can change, not - the things you can t. china may rise, it may falter, it may not rise smoothly. - who knows? but that is out . with our control. what we control is us and our value system and the things that make us strong. i do you miss it? i do, it is a very, - it is an extraordinary
things are shifting? i think it is the acute versus the chronic. i russia remains the millwall of international relations i and is to some extent invested. in having a fractious and difficult relationship with the west . because that in turn justifies the measures that the russian| government take to keep itself in power as a sort of self serving oligarchy, so it needs to keep the pot boiling. but it is going to continue to do |that, but it is dangerous and it| could get out of control. do you think some of the new ways of building alliances that we are seeing at the right approach chris mccann thinking specifically of the deal that the uk and the us and australia did, aukus, to help australia build nuclear submarines, and for a lot of people that is seen as quite a departure in the way things have been done, whether it is the west focusing on energy through nato or the intelligence sharing deal.