he doesn t go with that. a number of advisers were arguing against it. it was a very emotional meeting. trump, according to eastman, reaches out and says, please give me this, you know, plan for how you do this. now, trump doesn t typically ask for memos that way. so i m a little skeptical that the conversation went quite that way. but he does produce this piece of paper, and that became the basis for what trump was using to push pence to not certify the election for joe biden and to certify it for trump. the thing about the memo is the original plan was this required alternate slates of electors from these states. no state put such an alternate slate forward. suddenly the conversation a couple of days beforehand and in a meeting january 4th with eastman, trump, pence, pence s counsel and chief of staff becomes, well, can you delay it. that was clearly the backup plan. . a man who wrote a blueprint