unidentified retired official said there was a senior cia officer told him shortly after mandela s arrest, we turned mandela over to the south african security branch. we told them every detail what he d been wearing, the time of day, just where he would be. barack obama comes as a grandson of africa but also the head of the american government. there are south after ririca sophisticated politically and can work with that. protests have been sophisticated protests. specific issues in the u.s. and internationally. i do think the one thing to understand about nelson mandela is he really gets all this. and it is very, very striking that barack obama will be meeting with i shouldn t say he might. we don t know that. he might. with a guy who dick cheney voted to keep in jail. right. that is the trajectory. and that wasn t that long ago because when dick cheney was nominated for vice president, he still talked about well, we did that because he was a he sat there at the table.