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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 23:39:00

this is called command by negation. all you got to do is band together. mr. bannon is of course also convicted due to his defiance of the january 6th congressional committee, which has now officially ended with republicans taking the house. my guest here is michael moore, and as planned we want to bring in a yale historian, tim snider who s a expert on authoritarianism who joins michael. tim, you made some intellectual waves when you analyzed the january 6th insurrection problem as an issue between gamers, people who work within the technical rules to try to game the system, not unlike the gerrymandering in michigan michael just mentioned, and then the breakers. certainly we have convicted seditionists now. mr. bannon is convicted for defying congress and others convicted for breakers if not worse. wanted to get your views on anything you see in this dysfunction on the house floor as well as the overlap between

Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:12:00

you know, tim, though, the fight for democracy is not just happening in ukraine. you got people like steve bannon, like i just said, maga ringleader claiming voter fraud in brazil. what does it say, though, that somebody like steve bannon decides he wants to take the lies and wants to prop dwat them in another country internationally and not even in our own backyard. it reminds us that the international right is well coordinated, that these ideas have been circulaing for a long time. this is all connected. it s putin who pioneered the strategy of pretending to be a democracy and using what the russians call the administratei resource when bannon talks about brazil, what he s saying is that any time we lose, any time the people on our side lose, it must be cheating. obviously what he s saying is totally implausible. bolsonaro is running the government. if anyone was cheating it would be the people running the

Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:10:00

this is the bolsonaro election down in brazil, absolutely central, and very stark warning to maga and to all the republicans of the games that are being played in these elections. and over the weekend, the conservative group cpac sent a pro russia tweet despite vladimir putin s brutal invasion of ukraine. writing, quote, putin announces the annexation of four ukrainian occupied territories. biden and the dems continue the send ukraine billions of taxpayer dollars. when will democrats put america first? cpac later deleted to tweet call it, quote, unproved. janing me now, tim snider. the author of the book on tyranny . thanks for being here. i want to get your reaction to

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