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Rose we con keud with another part of our conversation with jony ive about the question of what makes apple apple and the pivotal role of design. I think that i have such a wonderfully deep reference for the for the Creative Process that wasnt motivated about what can it do for me. It was so much more pure than that. But a reverance for the Creative Process, and to, we both recognized the ideas were tenuous and fragile. And we both were comfortable at laughing at the appalling ideas we had. And we were both quiet enough and sensitive enough to be able to listen to the quiet ideas. Because very often i think we assume that this big grand idea that eventually will turn into something that can change the world can and very often does start as such a quiet, tent tiff idea. And that we, i think we both knew how to listen. Even if it didnt appear that we were paying attention. We would both listen. And it could sometimes be days afterwords that he would say or i would say, do you remember th

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