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the time it reached them. this virtually guarantees they will have a controversy to try to litigate and rule on in october. phil mudd, when you look at the proliferation of terrorist attacks that we have seen this summer alone, we ve seen them in manchester, in london, all of them being perpetrated by european nationals or in the case here in the u.s., the pulse nightclub attack by an american national, explain the rationale for banning people from these six countries when it appears the most compelling threat now is coming from within our own countries. there is no rationale. this is not a national security conversation, this is a political conversation. the president of the united states talked about a muslim ban when he was campaigning. i assume he wants to get out there via his spokesman or himself saying, look, i took steps towards that. if you look at it from a security optic, number one, when you sit around the threat table
there are over a thousand in this united kingdom. i would guess this is a highly symbolic target. the finsbury park mosque has changed its leadership in recent years. but the fact is, trying to put yourself in the mind of the perpetrator, why this mosque. i would submit it is because of its well-known, high-profile kind of the fact that it s hosted quite a number of islamist militants in the past. well, he is alive. they will be able to speak to him. hopefully that curiosity will be satisfied. how about the how here, phil? we said this is the third, fourth vehicle-motivated crime of this sort. is that about simple convenience, or is there something else s solving? i think it is about simple convenience. it is the evolution of terror. back after 9/11 sitting around the threat table, al qaeda was
saudi arabia. that s not what he s talking about. he needs to take a chill pill. i have been at it longer than he has. i have sat around the threat table. people in america need to have a cold beer and realize, there is a general threat that exists because there are isis followers everywhere. that is different than saying we have people we have identify thad want to take down an airliner. tom, does everyone need a cold beer and a chill pill? yes. i agree with bill on that. you know the fact is we could be. we could be talking about this by noon today there s been an attack and somebody s died because these people are out there planning it. the fbi has isis cases in every state of the united states. why are you telling us then to everybody cool their heads and prevail. you are saying at any minute
them and, right now, we re not making very good process. isis in syria and iraq doesn t working out that great so far. what s your analysis phil? i know there s a balance. on the one hand you want law enforcement to be cautious prepared. on the other hand you don t want to overhype what s going on. i think the public is more jittery than i would be threatening at the threat table at the bureau. i don t think this is the worst thing we ve seen since 9/11 by a long shot. i don t agree with the congressman. we took down transatlantic airliners. five years or more ago faced a backpack plot in new york that was dead serious from al qaeda. i understand the concern. i agree we have a metastasized threat. more than a couple cells, potentially thousands of people following isis tweets but that is different than facing real al qaeda plotters. i wouldn t be fearful. the al qaeda operation would
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