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out again? would it have been enough to stop this sunni/shiite divide which is a 1,300-year-old conflict, from return to that country? i m not sure that it would have, especially when you had this absolute outbreak of violence across the border in syria. you had the whole arab spring. would that residual force in iraq have been enough to stop the flow of history, as it has changed? and i m not sure the same thing in afghanistan, would a small force, even 12,000, be enough to keep the taliban from coming back? already, the taliban is coming back. already, they are making inroads in southern afghanistan and eastern afghanistan. and that is with 50-plus thousand american and other foreign troops on the ground right now. if 50,000 can t do it, how could 12,000 do it? nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, live for us tonight in sochi, russia. richard, i really appreciate you staying up to do this for us. it s good to see you, my friend.
10,000 troops, even, in iraq. would that have been enough to stop the civil war from breaking out again? would it have been enough to stop this sunni/shiite divide which is a 1,300-year-old conflict, from return to that country? i m not sure that it would have, especially when you had this absolute outbreak of violence across the border in syria. you had the whole arab spring. would that residual force in iraq have been enough to stop the flow of history, as it has changed? and i m not sure the same thing in afghanistan, would a small force, even 12,000, be enough to keep the taliban from coming back? already, the taliban is coming back. already, they are making inroads in southern afghanistan and eastern afghanistan. and that is with 50-plus thousand american and other foreign troops on the ground right now. if 50,000 can t do it, how could 12,000 do it? nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel,
keep the taliban from coming back? already, the taliban is coming back. already, they e making inroads in southern afghanistan and eastern afghanistan. and that is with 50-plus thousand american and other foreign troops on the ground right now. if 50,000 can t do it, how could 12,000 do it? nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, live for us tonight in sochi, russia. richard, i really appreciate you staying up to do this for us. it s good to see you, my friend. reporter: my pleasure. thanks a lot. all right. lots tole come tonight including how rock ribbed tea party principles were defeated by a pizza. that s still ahead on debunktion junction. stay with us. this is a fight that belongs to the iraq cankies. that s exactly what the president and world decided some time again and we left iraq. so we are not obviously contemplating returning. we re not contemplating putting boots on the ground. this is their fight. we re going to help them in their fight.
i heard you say something i thought was beautifully put when the news broke and said so many other presidents who wished they could bring troops home for the holidays. here we are at this point. for the troops are all home for the holidays and i assume he doesn t mean halloween, he will be accomplishing something that hasn t happened for nine years. or nearly nine years. it is very significant. people would like to see an end to the iraq war. i watched this war fatigue build in america. many iraqis are nervous. they like the idea of having a small american presence. a trip wire or safeguard that the dark days are not going to return. at the end of the day, a few thousand american trainer who is don t have immunity are not going to prevent a civil war. what are the conditions on the ground? the violence is escalating. it s not promising at all.
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