want to balance a budget and do a lot of different things and i don t think newt s still there. and you know what, i ran four times and i had four landslide victories and i did because i did what i thought was right and i went and i told my voters why and they voted for me. people could do what justin amash did but only if they re connected with their district and explain why they re doing it. still ahead, hardball s chris spamatthews joins the conversation. we ll be right back. oins the conversation we ll be right back.
be unless bob mueller says so. stop talking. you re headed into a giant perjury trap. do you agree with that? well, i pointed out that i think it s wiser for the president to not have his folks attacking mueller, and i think lindsey graham was right. if you leave it alone the president will be vindicated by mueller. leave him alone. don t put pressure on him to have to justify his existence by stretching things to find something wrong. in that case is newt gingrich wrong when he this morning tweeted republicans are delusional if they think the special counsel is going to be fair. look who he is hiring. check fec reports. time to trethink. unfortunately, in the political world, there s no way to undo what has been done, and so i do think newt is wrong if he s suggesting dramatic action right now to remove mueller or to do something else.
then people will hate it and you can repeal it. the problem is they know that once this law goes into effect, once people actually see the benefits of obama care they are never going to let it go. it will be in place forever. it will be a democratic success. it will be a success for president obama and republicans will have been on the record doing everything they possibly can to slow it down. i think that s what newt gingrich and mitt romney are suggesting. let this go through. in their case they are saying we will see the things that go wrong. let this go through. i don t think newt is saying let it go through. i think he s saying, don t be vicious, come up with an alternative. if he s advising people to come up with an alternative, he doesn t want obama care to stand exactly as enacted. the problem with newt gingrich telling you not to be vicious is like whitey bulger telling you to walk away from a fight. this is a guy who single hand deadly took the discourse of this country t
those twos campaigns? absolutely. it s like the biggest secret in washington. everyone gets it. those 60 days between the end of june and the beginning of the tampa festivities will see a lot of moving parts come into focus. and i think you re exactly dead on there, eeb, in terms of all the little shenanigans and conversations that people are having and who they re trying to prop up and put in play. i m not convinces there s not a bromance between gingrich and santorum either. i would agree with that. it s a bro moment. we re talking about bowls of popcorn. talk about newt gingrich, which is to say what does he get out of this? hugo, at a certain point, he s helping romney really. he s saying he s staying in there so that romney doesn t win because he doesn t feel he s electable. at the end of the day, he s hurting that. i don t think newt is staying in there for any reasons other than newt. i think he s staying in there because what else is he going to do right now? he likes
dutch, they wanted us to learn english to be the melting pot. as far as newt gingrich getting out of the race, that s newt s call. newt and i are very good friends. i ve always said mitt romney does not want a one-on-one especially with rick santorum. we said that in iowa. as long as conservatives divide up the vote, it s going to prop up romney. i will say this. had gingrich been out of this race, michigan s in santorum s column, ohio is in santorum s column, alabama and mississippi are 2-1 santorum and this race is completely different. i agree if you just do the math. a clip like that shows you there s a difference. you know, romney i think has been reasonably well prepared to be a front-runner. he does have those crazy gaffes about $10,000 bets. all the rich guy stuff is what he s constantly doing, right? basically he runs pretty smooth. the question is, is rick santorum really ready for the focus he would actually get in a one-on-one race, which is greater than the press and med