case said that there is a firm trial date, and it is in the fold, and so this is a n nonsense judge, and so i anticipate, and we are already seeing it, that the attorney for mr. trump and hi assortment of cases are goin to play the cases against each other. one attorney who s also th defense attorney on hi indictment in manhattan wa asking for a civil case, why because of the indictment in manhattan. and so you know, he has a lo of legal matters that ar swirling around him. and he can t go to trial on al of them at the same time, bu he can one by one go to trial. and try to run presidential campaig concurrent to all of this, tha is a bit of a head-scratcher catherine christian, it really good to talk with you, look forward to see you agai very soon. meantime, we saw the midterm and most recently at wisconsin abortion is a losing issue for republicans, and so why does s many want to go wndo with that ship that makes you feel lighter than air?
least in abrams and i will pay catherine, thank you for being with us. happy to be here. happy easter thank you, and you. i m trying to put some meat on the bones of all of the things that are happening with donald trump. everybody watched hi indictment, his arrest, hi arraignment in new york. and then the next hearing in that case isn t december a some point what happens with that case an everything else i describe between now and the next tim donald trump is scheduled to b in court you re right, he is swirlin in legal issues around him civil and criminal on the manhattan case, the nex date is december 4th but in between that, there might be litigation, in fact there will be litigation i know the arrangements, the prosecutors said that they wanted to protect order, under new york state law, the defens is entitled to almos everything that s in the prosecutors file that is the law. this prosecutor said, you know what there is some sense but have materials that we don t trus the fo
the roadmap that proves, ordered least intends to prove the intent of fraud is there the intent to commit the other crimes is there. when you read, it it goes hand in hand with those 34 counts i that indictment. as usual, donald trump ha floated some possible defenses out there leading up to today. one of the defenses of floated by one of his lawyers in the last few weeks has been, he wa not doing this because of th campaign he was doing this to protect melania, to protect his wife from this crushing information if you were to ever get this information. however, in the indictment i says, in the description of th actions it says, donald trum said to michael cohen, delay the payment to stormy daniel if possible. delay the payment to her i till after the election because,
state. leading off our discussio tonight, dan horwitz, jeremy s land, and catherine christian. they are all former manhatta assistant district attorneys also with us andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division of eastern district o new york, he s professor practice at nyu law school and an msnbc legal analyst andrew, as the hours where on, i think we all become more familiar with this indictmen and the factual statement that accompanied it going back to studying the things that the district attorney said in the press conference, which were not included, little words here an there, one where that appear in court in the transcript, it turns out, from the assistan district attorney who spoke, i the word conspiracy. he says that verbally at the beginning of the description o what this case is about. but i don t see the word conspiracy in the indictment so, conspiracy is not charged. there is the word scheme tha happens over and over again. bec
the money from all the presidents men, follow the money, the checks, the checks. a sitting president wrote thos checks second, follow the facts, read the indictment, underline th facts as certain and ask yourself, who is going to confirm those facts whoa, i didn t realize thi plenty of cooperation, plent of witnesses, maybe people who flipped, i don t know. but follow the facts in th diamond. the third, most importantly, which is a little ironic to me follow the crime so, now we hear the defens counsel saying, oh, it wasn t state crime. we re going to move to dismiss well, wait a minute. so, it was a federal crime tha sent michael cohen to prison so, this is a great defense. our client committed a federal crime, but not a state crime that s the way i analyze thi indictment and i m not speaking fro inside knowledge and i honor the judge s reques that people like me and no just michael refrained fro commenting on the evidence until we see it presented in front of a jury. you know, i wa