important in the organization. they weren t just guards. they had more of a supervisory role and were tasked to make videos of them perhaps they were going to use these videos as proof of life. but one thing that s really interesting they learned from the hostages is there s all this debate about when this guy radicalized. but when he said he finished college he went to tanzania in 2009. and he denied wanting to go there to join al shabab in somalia. but yet when he was holding the hostages i reported this in the story, he was obsessed with al shabab. and he had them watch videos of al shabab when he was holding these hostages. so there are real indications by the time he leaves the country in 2009 to go to africa where he stopped, he s already radicalized. so you said he was obsessed with al shabab. why didn t he go join al shabab? why isis? is it because isis is just the name of the game at this hour?