i wanted to ask him a very specific question about this secret list and quite defensively, he told me, even after all this, there wasn t a secret list. listen. reporter: how can you, the current administration, which got us into this mess, get us out of it. if you just said it s been going on for five or ten years, i have not been part of that current administration, drew. i have been here a year and half. i think i have been able to see what the way forward is. i think we have developed in the last year and a half, tools we can use. i ve acknowledged we need to ensure the integrity of 0 our system to use these tools accurately. we do have the tools and we do have the information we need to push forward and provide veterans with timely care. ashleigh, let s just take him at his word he s only been there a year and half and he personally doesn t know. certainly the secretary knew, everybody knew this was going on. but even a month monago, thomas lynch knew there were at least