start. there is this gigantic field of democratic candidates literally like two baseball teams at this point. you guys could play each other. besides you and tulsi gabbard, there aren t democrats running who have military experience. you enlisted at 26 or 27. around that. after grad school. that s right, yeah. can you talk about your decision on why to do that, why the navy? what was going on? there s always been a family military tradition but i always had an excuse for not serving at any particular moment. when i was in college, i was in college. when i got the chance to study overseas, i was tied up in that, although there were several americans at oxford who were in my class of rhoads scholars who were graduates of the naval academy. and i admired those people so much it made me think a lillarder. the thing that put me over the edge was a campaign visit. i was knocking on doors as a volunteer for barack obama in very low income, rural counties in iowa, and was blown awa