want to move up to statewide office go for not necessarily because they re saying i m election administration person, it is a stepping stone. what are you seeing on the ground? candidates across the country get early start to the race. not huge surprise that secretary of state is not traditionally top of the ticket race. would be shocked if many viewers could name them pre2020. going to change this year, going to be historic year. what we ve seen early so far, republican candidates talking about or in the race about running for secretary of state who haven t accepted the results of the 2020 election and have gone further and actively sought to undermine legitimacy of president biden s victory. georgia is biggest example, he has the former president s endorsement. but others as well.