now you have sondland who s going to be on capitol hill going against the state department to do so. what does that indicate to you about who s calling the shots and the trajectory of this? seems like the the insistence by pompeo doesn t come to pass. we re going to see some brave actors stepping up more and more. perhaps that will have an effect on members of congress. i was very clear with some long time republican electives that i m on the train for impeachment after the ukraine transcript. you have to be clear with this american electorate that wants to click r for trump again. this is not normal and right. when i see the word favor in black and white, that should trouble us. our president is not a king. but republican members push back on me and say i wouldn t do it this way, but this is his way and he has an end goal. we have to trust it. that s what i hear from mike pence.