so this person and it may be more than one person is going to be an enormous target and every security precaution should be taken. i wonder if it will work. but certainly they should try. they should obviously try. john kirby democrats now want the impeachment probe to go forward with new documents. they re subpoenaing new documents from the defense secretary mark esper. what sort of information might the pentagon have to be relevant to the impeachment probe. i m sure there is in ternal correspondence on the back and forth over the decisions and want policy about the systems and what the benefits of supplying those systems were. and then i think some budget documents too in terms of the cost of providing these systems and the maintenance and upkeep and i think that all of that will be fairly simple and straightforward for the pentagon to provide. and now supposedly we heard there is a second whistle-blower who has firsthand information about what happened during that phone call a
subpoena three associates of the president s personal lawyer rudy giuliani. and they re expanding the probe to the pentagon and the office of management and budget issuing subpoenas for documents about the freezing of aid to ukraine. we ll talk about that and more with congressman rothia krish raja krishnonoorthi. manu raju is on the scene for us. what is the latest from capitol hill? what are you picking up. reporter: tonight democrats and the lawyers for the whistle-blower who made the complaint against president trump s conduct have been discussing what is being described as, quote, extreme measures to protect the whistle-blower s identity in case that individual were to come and testify before the house intelligence committee. now democrats are concerned that the president the president s attacks against the whistle-blower raising concerns about his or her credibility could mean that this individual could be in harm s way if his or
in the past, would suggest that even their personal safety is something that we have to be concerned about right now. as you know, there is now a second whistle-blower who claims to have what is being described as firsthand knowledge backing up the complaint filed by the original whistle-blower. do you know anything else about the information? this official is prepared to disclose? i do not. i do not know this whistle-blower s identity. however, based on what the inspector general has said in the past, there are other individuals who corroborate the first whistle-blower s complaint. that is what led the inspector general to call the whistle-blower s complaint both credible and urgent. and so all i know is what i ve read in the press from the attorney for this second whistle-blower. and so i would just commend this person for coming forward. and hopefully this person will be allowed to follow the process
committee. thank you so much for joining us. i want to start with the breaking news that the house intelligence committee is considering taking what are being described as extreme measures to conceal the whistle-blower s identity including limiting the presence of staff and members during testimony and disguising the individual s image and voice. do you think all of that is necessary? well, we re kind of in an unusual situation where the president is basically threatening the whistle-blower. we ve heard the various pieces of rhetoric that he s directed toward the whistle-blower. he wants to know the identity of the whistle-blower. and so this extremely unusual situation unfortunately demands extreme measures in terms of protecting the security of the whistle-blower. we cannot allow the president to somehow get to the whistle-blower or threaten him or discourage him or her from telling their side of the story. and us learning what exactly is the extent of the alleged scheme
ukraine and then going into the requests of investigations in 2016 and into the bidens, that it is enough for them. but there is certainly more that could come out of the second whistle-blower, and the point of the argument that the white house has been making to discredit the first whistle-blower to say they should not listen to you, because they have secondhand information and not the use it with the first whistle-blower, and although, it is pretty predictable they will try to find some way to discredit who is the second whistle-blower, and that is a pattern with anybody who has been coming out making accusations against the president, and they seek to discredit them. and charlie, the second whistle-blower, how important is this in the impeachment inquiry in your mind? i don t disagree with the congressman from utah and he said, why do we have to hear from this person, because we have are the transcript, and it does speak for itself, but it is possible however, that this person h