here to the manger. exactly. and then you see this is the cave, which of course has been shaped. but this wall is artificial. next door is called the cave of the holy innocents. father murray o connor took us there for a look. so there s very little evidence of the original cave left here. whatever there is left of the cave is down below us here. so tradition has it that christ would have been born over there on the other side cave but this is part of the same cave system? it s all part of the same cave system. you can see that that s an entirely artificial wall. it goes up to the roof of the cave. you can see the bed box all above us and this is the area that has been excavated. the excavation in the early 1960s turned up evidence that this cave was occupied during the time of king david, right up through the time of jesus. there were traces of dung and broken pottery and coins. so it was used for stabling, and for storage.