water more than fox news? go to oann and find out. actually, don t. don t turn the channel, don. but theoretically. if fox does not run the trump rally, oann makes a big deal about running the trump rally. they re trying to be smaller than fox. they are very small, very low rated. it s interesting whether the president thinks he can play these channels off each other and try to build up a version of trump tv. well, there s no chance. maybe i ll watch maybe i ll go check it out, but, you know, i need to keep my sanity. thank you all. appreciate it. president trump s former defense secretary fears that the u.s. is dividing into hostile tribes. i m going to ask another former defense secretary what he thinks about that. leon panetta is next.