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Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220114 02:33:00

but these folks pro claimed that he did. and, you know, it s one thing it s your blessed right to say something like if you want to on a soapbox on a street corner or to ruin your relatives otherwise nice turkey dinner by insisting you want to they will them the crazy theories at the thanksgiving dinner. it s fine. but it s something else to put it in writing in a document purposely made to look like official state government document for that document to assert that it is an official state government document and for you to then send it to the national archives of the united states and the united states senate in the hopes that they think this thing you fornld might be real. that s different. but that is what these guys did. and it does appear to have been a coordinated effort. and we do not yet know by whom. republicans in multiple states asenioritied the trump campaign asked them to do something like there. white house chief of staff mark meadows in his production to the january 6

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220114 09:31:00

but these folks proclaimed that he did. and, you know, it s one thing it s your blessed right to say something like if you want to on a soapbox on a street corner or to ruin your relatives otherwise nice turkey dinner by insisting you want to tell them these crazy theories at the thanksgiving dinner. it s fine. but it s something else to put it in writing in a document purposely made to look like official state government document for that document to assert that it is an official state government document and for you to then send it to the national archives of the united states and the united states senate in the hopes that they think this thing you forged might be real. that s different. but that is what these guys did. and it does appear to have been a coordinated effort, and we do not yet know by whom. republicans in multiple states have asserted the trump campaign asked them do something like this. white house chief of staff mark meadows in his production to the january 6th inv

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220125 09:08:00

presidential archives. they ar covid them by president in case that s the way you listed them. not just threats. they also deal with forgeries. if someone tries to forge a veterans record or a military record to make them look like they have a career they didn t actually have, these are the investigators who will track you down and nail you for that. in 2011, this guy confessed to national archives investigators to a very unusual forgery plot. what looks weird about that date? that manbo confessed to bringina fountain pen into a national archives research room, he used the pen he had smuggled into the room to change the date on a document, the real document was dated april 14, 1864. it was a pardon president abraham lincoln had signed for a union soldier court martialed as a deserter, this guy apparently decided he would be credited

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220125 05:08:00

you have seen this portrait, if you know where it is called the investigators at the national archives they want it back and they re actively looking for a. in 2002, a guy was sentenced to prison for stealing hundreds of photographs and documents from the national archives including a whole bunch of signed presidential pardons. they caught him because he sold a lot of the stuff on ebay but they re still looking for most of the pardons that he stole. the missing ones are all listed in the archival recovery quorum website at the national archives. they re on the case, they re looking for the missing presidential pardons. they archive them on the website by president. at least that s the way that they re gonna look for them. they don t just deal with thefts though, they deal with forgeries. if someone tries to forge a military record, or veteran s record to try and make themselves seem like they had a military career they haven t actually had. these are the investigators that will track t

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220125 09:47:00

why the national archives investigators might be looking at that one, that one slate of electors from arizona. arizona is in this unusual position where it seems like there were two different efforts by two different sets of republicans, to send in two different fake slates of electors, both purporting to be the real electors from arizona, when they weren t. one of those slates from arizona sent in documents that looked very much like what happened in at least four other states. but this other group of arizona republicans kind of did their own thing. it seems like from your reporting those are the ones who came, are now coming under the federal scrutiny from the archives investigators. do you have any sense of why that might be about what was difference about that effort that might have attracted federal scrutiny when the others maybe did not? well, my understanding of the way the archives handled a lot of these investigations and the way the inspector general goes about asking quest

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