and new criteria to get on the first stage. top five nationally, or top five in iowa and new hampshire. that s going to leave about six people on the main stage and six on the other stage. probably will leave rand paul off the main stage. this is what he said to me about that. i won t participate in any kind of second tier debate. we ve got a first tier campaign. i m not going to let any network or anybody tell me we re not a first tier campaign. if you tell a campaign with three weeks to go that they re in the second tier, you destroy the campaign. this isn t the job of the media to pick who wins. the voters ought to get a chance. i mean this is going to lay it up in a lap for donald trump if you don t want to allow any competition. what do you think about that? you can weigh in on our facebook page this morning. basically saying he s not going to allow the media to dictate campaigns. but we certainly saw carly fiorina go from that second tier debate stage to the first tier debate
clinton. that s just red meat for them. and i think carly fiorina entered onto this stage in a way that she may propel herself, who knows, onto the big stage, the main stage come the next debate in september. very interesting. what about the rest of the participants in the happy hour debate? i can t even remember who they are right now. can you? you probably can because you know everything political. reporter: we saw rick perry and rick santorum on there. those are people who had been riding high at different points in the 2011-2012 cycle. but they weren t really able to break through despite fine performances. i do think carly fiorina just emerged as the star from this first debate. by the way, so much so that she was used in the second debate. clearly the moderators wanted to make sure to bring her into the second debate as well. yeah.