question right now, for example, around the world you have millions of young people being educated in religion in very strict terms and dedicated to an ideology that preaches hatred against those that are different. if you ve got that going on in the world, of course you ve got to protect yourself by security methods, but in the end you ve got to be rooting out that type of education and that type of propaganda. this is where obviously the internet is also very important. one of the things we work on in my institute is how you manage to stop these types of messages getting through to people wh. when you go onto these sites you divert them to sites that are more positive. this requires, frankly, a revolution in approach way beyond anything we ve done so far. otherwise, i m afraid this problem is going to grow. you talk about your institute, the institute for global change. do you feel like you re swimming against the tide right now when nationalism seems to be the trend? i think i