international lawyers. that was the pinnacle of human rights law and the example so many criminal court situations have followed since then. but the big difference between what happened at nuremberg and what potentially could happen if any of these war crime cases become prosecutions and become attempts to bring people to justice the germans lost world war ii. they were not able to avoid prose prosecution, they lost, they surrendered. it is difficult to imagine any way this conflict resolves where putin is not in charge of russia. i asked him about that. yeah, i think it s an important question, we can t be naive about things. we need to be realistic. collected the evidence, preserve it, analyze it and make
we have to decide when will we act based upon our shared humanity, and i think this is a moment that should wake everybody up. many other instances should have but this is a moment we should consolidate and wait for something that is important which is legality. reporter: so what karim khan was saying, he was granting my point, yes, you are probably right this does not end with the putin government surrendering and putin going before the international criminal court in the hague. that probably is not going to happen but that does not mean he and the international criminal court and the prosecutor general here in ukraine and others are not going to do everything they can to document these atrocities whether they are war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide and prepare a prosecution because that is the only way to get to justice even if we never see that moment we would all like to see of the people responsible for these atrocities actually going to jail.