for granted here. and that s when i decided i would go for it. could you see what has happened since coming, in terms of what s happened in russia and putin, and the nature of where russia finds itself now? i came to the conclusion in russia that we have been profoundly naive and complacent about regimes like the russian and the chinese and others. from that moment it was a kind of wake up call that the west had got far too comfortable and you know, the end of history and it was all going to be this relentless march towards liberal democracy. when you were out in russia and you are up close and personal with those people you realise just how deeply wrong and naive that analysis was. and i think we are now seeing some of those chickens coming home to roost. victoria and stephen, thank you very much. thank you. thank you, thanks a lot. now we are going to talk about the cost of living and various other issues because we are joined by rapper, campaigner
russia finds itself now? i came to the conclusion in russia that we have been profoundly naive and complacent about regimes like the russian and the chinese and others. from that moment, it was a kind of wake up call that the west had got far too comfortable and you know, the end of history and it was all going to be this relentless march towards liberal democracy. when you were out in russia and you are up close and personal with those people, you realise just how deeply wrong and naive that analysis was. and i think we are now seeing some of those chickens coming home to roost. victoria and stephen, thank you very much. thank you. thank you, thanks a lot. now we re going to talk about the cost of living and various other issues because we are joined because we re joined by rapper, campaigner and documentary maker, professor green, hello. hello. welcome. thank you. i thought when i was telling chris that you were coming on, i d have to explain who you were.
at the edges of that process. an improvisation at the end of the part you d been carefully rehearsing that suddenly catches you and you recognise something in them that holds you, and you can start to actually pull that into the centre, and what s in the periphery can come into the centre. in fact, you discover these peripheral ideas can be central ideas. and i think it also, for me, has a political implication. when the huge political ideas of the world communism, the end of history, unfettered capitalism, we see the calamitous results of those grand ideas, of those certainties. with things politically, one also has to hope for things that emerge in a much more organic, smaller way from the edges as a way of thinking about problems. but bronwyn lace, one of the centre s organisers, says, in order to qualify for grants and public funding, artists must prove positive impact of their art and incorporate a community based outreach
and i think it also, for me, has a political implication. when the huge political ideas of the world communism, the end of history, unfettered capitalism, we see the calamitous results of those grand ideas, of those certainties. with things politically, one also has to hope for things that emerge in a much more organic, smaller way from the edges as a way of thinking about problems. but bronwyn lace, one of the centre s organisers, says, in order to qualify for grants and public funding, artists must prove positive impact of their art and incorporate a community based outreach programme of some kind. yes, so that s not us. that s not what we do. that s what you do if you re looking for public funding, you have to show this drawing will reduce mother to child transmission. she s one of the organisers of your centre. she s saying that s the way public funding works. you don t approve of that? no, that s not what we do. that s the point
things you see at the edges of that process. an improvisation at the end of the part you d been carefully rehearsing that suddenly catches you and you recognise something in them that holds you, and you can start to actually pull that into the centre, and what s in the periphery can come into the centre. in fact, you discover these peripheral ideas can be central ideas. and i think it also, for me, has a political implication. when the huge political ideas of the world communism, the end of history, unfettered capitalism, we see the calamitous results of those grand ideas, of those certainties. with things politically, one also has to hope for things that emerge in a much more organic, smaller way from the edges as a way of thinking about problems. but bronwyn lace, one of the centre s organisers, says, in order to qualify for grants and public funding, artists must prove positive impact of their art and incorporate