this weekend about don mcgahn s cooperation. the president is echoing something that rudy giuliani keeps saying relentlessly. this is about what they call the possible perjury trap. he says so if i say something that he, comey, and he, comey, says something and it is my word against his and he s best friends with mueller, so mueller might say, well, i believe comey. and even if i m telling the truth, that makes me a liar, that s no good. now, ken, the don mcgahn reporting, as i say, interests me most when it comes to the possibility that don mcgahn might be able to change the comey versus trump story from comey s word versus trump s word to trump s word versus comey s word plus possibly something from don mcgahn. 100%. but first a word about that tweet.
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whether or not he tries to stop people from investigating him. that s part of the issue. he is confirming everything that they re trying to find out about him. i will say this very quickly about don mcgovernment s exhibit ahn. he has a long exextensive history. this guy knows how to stay out of trouble. and so he s definitely going to reveal whatever it is he needs to reveal to mueller because he has a career he wants to extend beyond what this presidency may be able to handle. the most important phrase that i have read in all of this reporting about the mcgahn interviews is the new york times describing that don mcgahn has given them the president s mindset, the mindset on the firing of james comey. yeah. and so that can change what rudy giuliani and the president are trying to set up as a he said/he said conflict, meaning james comey says the president
it is inconsistent with the facts and inconsistent with american values. that s not a partisan statement. robert mueller volunteered for vietnam, was wounded in combat, led the fbi after 9/11. there are prosecutor ons that team with sterling records. got so far into their skin they threatened to kill him. he had 24/7 security for a year. these are public servants who have given over their careers to serving the american public and bringing people to justice. donald trump may not like what they are doing, but he is sounding like every politician i have ever reported on who has been under criminal investigation by the fbi. you are absolutely right. don mcgahn can be a crucial witness. and this story in the washington post where sources are suggesting he didn t incriminate the president, i read that as this is the giuliani philosophy that the president can t obstruct justice because he can fire whoever he wants for any reason. i don t think that robert mueller believes that or legal
and so he s definitely going to reveal whatever it is he needs to reveal to mueller because he has a career he wants to extend beyond what this presidency may be able to handle. the most important phrase that i have read in all of this reporting about the mcgahn interviews is the new york times describing that don mcgahn has given them the president s mindset, the mindset on the firing of james comey. yeah. and so that can change what rudy giuliani and the president are trying to set up as a he said/he said conflict, meaning james comey says the president said something to him about flynn and the president denies he ever said that about flynn. well, what if, what if there is someone else in the white house who can actually confirm that the president did say something like what jim comey says the president said? yeah, lawrence. you re absolutely right. this is a key thing. the hardest part of proving the