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when o it s not only the speech, we can talk about anything. it s the action which translates the speech into conduct. and there are, what, 160 something acts that it lists that move it from, hey, let s just talk about this to let s get it done. and so it s hard to argue with regard to the specificity of this indictment, what the district attorney did to matching the facts to the laws that were broken to say this was just a political enterprise particularly when you had a special grand jury of 75 witnesses may of 22 to january of 2023 and actual grand jury who could issue an indictment issue the indictments. it s part of our process that s really a sad thing to see. but this is our reality. people often can forget you don t even need to carry out all of the acts for a conspiracy. it just is the conspireing that is the cream. let s listen sara murray, our colleague, questioning fani willis last night. have you had any contact with the special counsel about overlap between these case
which made a potential target of willis investigation. a georgia judge then blocked willis from pursuing an investigation of jones. her political actions should disqualify her from doing that. the judge called the fundraiser a, quote, what are you thinking moment? and said the optics are horrific. but i should note, that same judge has also praised willis handling of this investigation in a ruling last week, he said, quote, the district attorney s office has been doing a fairly routine and legally unobjectionable job of public relations in a case that is anything but routine. joining us now is gwen keys flemming, considering herself one of fani willis mentors. thank you for taking the time. i think this gets at a point, there s been about 300 profiles written over fani willis over the course of the last two years. it becomes very easy to slate her into some hyperbolic category or another. tell people, as a district
defense counsel. i mean, these are excellent counsel. jennifer and i used to work together when we were both prosecutors. and drew has been a formidable opponent of mine and other colleagues for years. so, what you will see, i have no doubt, will be an effective defense strategy once they had the opportunity to digest the indictment and we are going to be looking at some of the great prosecutors and great defense lawyers in georgia going head to head throughout this process. i think, though, it s important to remember that this is really about the residents of fulton. their votes and looking to see whether the facts and law actually match up in the way that the district attorney has laid out for the grand jury. gwen keyes, appreciate your time. thank you so much. thank you. so our coverage of the fourth indictment of former president trump continues. we re going to take you back out life to the fulton county courthouse in atlanta, georgia,
out of the room. they posted someone out front to make sure no one else went in. reporter: reagan visit was an education meeting? i was convinced it was exactly what i thought it was. reporter: and what he thought turned out to be right. a group of republican shadow electors gathered to sign an illegitimate certification for president trump. many of the republicans who serve as alternate electors that mid december day were high up figures in the state party. state senator bert jones, who is now lieutenant governor. reporter: bert jones was initially a target of the investigation. but the judge presiding over the special- purpose grand jury the district attorney from investigating him. after fani willis funded a fundraiser for jones political opponent.