public hearings would be so important. because they will be able to package the case once they know the facts and present it in a most persuasive way possible which can move the hearts and minds of americans and frankly may have an impact on the department of justice and whether the department decides that it is going to invest in a full fledged investigation of the efforts to overturn the election. all of those facts that bitterly doubt, that is pretty good evidence that donald trump tried to overturn an election which is a violation of the federal conspiracy laws to impair and interfere with the lawful functioning of the government. and if he did that knowing that it was a fraudulent scheme then you can charge him. and the question is, was this just getting advice from john eastman? or did he know that it was a big lie that he was peddling in
so the energy that biden put on display today is the energy that democrats need to carry in order to flip the script. because the country s act skiing democrats, what are you going to do about everything that has gone wrong? talking about january six? talking about the voter suppression laws. so considering that republicans of resolve himself of any responsibility to fortify our democracy or protect our democracy, it all falls to democrats at this point. you said a lot of when is there, when they do that, when they did the other thing. but the fact is it s not for lack of trying on the parts of either democrats or the president. what changes? if there is another gear that joe biden has right now, what does that do for voting rights? what does that do for build back better? what does it do for covid? what does it do for americans who say, how are you making my life better? i think that the next gear is emphasizing the impact because let s be real. ali, the election in ten months cou
quote, just another wedge in a divided nation. in that article, one of our guests peter baker writes, quote, while mr. biden and the democrats describe the dangers to the constitutional order from what amounted to an anti-democratic insurrection, mr. trump and his allies rail against a congressional investigating committee and seek to re-write history by repeating wild and false claims about a supposedly stolen election and asserting that the riot was born out of justified anger, end quote. still with us, the aforementioned peter baker, carol leonnig, juanita and daniel goldman. peter, tell me more about this. you write that this has become another partisan wedge. to juanita s point, if it continues down that road, we will have elections that could become less democratic as we go along if americans presented the premise that you presented today. yeah. there was this feeling for about a day, maybe a week after january 6th, something might have changed as a result of it. but the shock
demanding truth and accountability for january 6th. still with us, jo ann freeman and jonathan green blat. i want to quote something from your brand new book on page 115 of the book called it could happen here. you reference a famous speech from president lincoln in which scanning the horizon for potential threats lincoln dismissed the idea that a foreign power could stamp out american democracy, but there was another danger worth ruminating over, americans themselves. we kind of think that once we passed the civil war americans themselves was not going to be our threat, but here we are in 2021 and now in 2022 and americans themselves still seem to be our most prominent threat. i think it s true, ali. this is the greatest democracy the world has ever noun. many ways the most robust and resilient nation seen in history. and yet is indeed i think the threat within which worries me the most. i mean, in the last five years
he called the secretary of state in georgia to try to get him to find 11,000 more votes for him. he called and met with michigan lawmakers. he called the governor of arizona. he repeatedly tried to use any influence he can to taint the election and find a way to justify denying president biden the election he had won, up to the point where he pressured his own vice president to take an action that the vice president, mike pence, thought was unconstitutional on that day on january 6th. so what this committee has to do, of course, is lay out a narrative that will be compelling to voters who haven t already made up their mind about this, right? many americans already have pretty strong views of january 6th. the question is this committee coming up with something that they don t know will change some minds. they ve already done more than 300 interviews and have 30 some thousand documents and they ve obviously uncovered these text messages involving mark meadows, the white house chief of st