diplomats warned that if you took down saddam hussein, chaos would follow. my colleagues and i just tried to highlight, you know, the downsides and the complexities, the day after saddam hussein s iraq. we didn t get it all right, we got lots of things wrong in that memo, our vision was imperfect as well. but we were trying to puncture the triumphalism in the run-up to the war in iraq. and you hear those same assumptions from the administration today, the ease with which things would flow on the day after. if there s anything i ve learned, the mideast is the region of unintended consequences and they re rarely uplifting. you have to be careful. a very tough warning. from all the wisdom and experience you ve had. i hope you come back men times to talk to us. the book is the back channel. ambassador william burns, thank
international security, ian b a brzezinski, i sort of know him, he s my brother. and a national security analyst, and now president of the carnegie endowment for international peace, william burns, author of the back channel, memoir for american diplomacy, a case for its renewal. we ll get to the book in just a moment. ian, evelyn, the panel. when we think of russia, do we think of a military risk to member of nato or do they have a rusting, old arsenal and they re not to be worried about so much? they re a definite risk. just look at ukraine and georgia, crimea-occupied russian