member of and i worked there and he tried to say people who were receiving benefits, they shouldn t get guns. which is a terrible narrative to push forward. you need people who have been adjudicated, mentally disabled to have them not be in a position where they can own guns, not just anybody. shannon: well, today the atlantic reporting on a phone call, somebody with the latest phone call between the president and wayne lapierre, the president of the nra said the president told lapierre that universal background checks off the table, cementing his stance we already have background checks and not waffling on this anymore. doug, is that enough for you? to convince you that lucent know, but he s independent and having conversations but now publicly saying and the white house is saying there is something on the table with background checks. look, it isn t clear what is going on. say that the president appeared to cave to wayne lapierre and the nra.