and it won t just be motions to remove. we will see a lot of them. they will be individual. they will have to be decided on their individual merits. because these defendants will have different sort of status as to whether or not they can claim that they were a federal official or acting under the orders of a federal official, which is necessary to trigger removal. they will have different defenses. it will be a mess. and that will only be about one type of motion. some defendants will file motions to dismiss, saying that the charges against them simply fail to stay the federal crime. it should be diminished on that basis. so, six months will pass in the blink of an eye, i suspect, while these pretrial motions are litigated. whether this case ends up in federal court is a wide open question. but i think laura again is right to say that it s not frivolous. and although the judge if the judge reads the paper, whatever the defendant sends to the federal judge is supposed to be a short,
leveraged points for the government? is that why they are unnamed and an indicted as yet? so, it depends. sometimes you see this jury situation like this because they are still working out a little bit of a deal. so, perhaps the person is going to provide some testimony and in exchange for that they will get immunity. sometimes the government just doesn t have the evidence to make the case for whatever reason. maybe they don t have the text or the calls. or sometimes it s just messy, right? and so you listed as an unindicted coconspirator. we don t know. we do know some of these people have reached deals, based on our reporting. but some of them it s just not so clear. and so i think we are going to have to wait and see what else comes out on this. but i think it is certainly clear that they have some people cooperating, and that they want some more, and that they have certainly added this large group as a pressure mechanism. yeah. so, joyce 18 other named an and indicted coconsp
the genovese family headed by fat tony salerno. the gambino family headed by big paul castellano the lucchese family, ruled by tony ducks corallo the columbo family run by jerry langella. and a bonanno family headed by phil rastelli. the case that made then u.s. attorney rudy giuliani a national figure was not about any one criminal or any one crime. it was about how all of these crimes drug deals and extortion even murder how all of that was ultimately controlled by the people at the top in the form of a criminal enterprise. in this case, a ruling body body with a mob boss from every family, a ruling body called the commission. they are said to run the most powerful crime families in new york. in fact, in the nation. and according to the government, they make up the commission. the ruling body of a potent criminal enterprise dealing in drugs and extortion, loan sharking, labor racketeering and murder.
this one is not. it s rather lengthy and convoluted. the judge may well look at it and say, i can t read this and make a determination that it is okay to just send this back to state court. so, we need to have an evidentiary hearing. and that, of course, involves more delay, before we even decide which courthouse this case will move forward. in. yeah. i do wonder i mean, when you talk about other various co-defendants having different status, laura meadows s lawyers are making the case that what he did was arranging phone calls, made visiting official facilities, down at the state, in cobb county prosecutors are going to take issue with that. but i wonder, when we talk about flipping and sometimes the fact that sometimes when you have such a large pool of codefendants, the goal of the prosecutor is to leverage all of these people against each other. do you see this giant number of codefendants as a potential pool for flipping just to be i don t know. of course! can we c
of course. these are people who have very different incentive structures and then a person, say, like walt nauta who sort of has this unusual sort of loyalty and relationship with the former president. i don t know that kanye west s former publicists wants to face 5 to 20 years in prison. i m not saying she is going to get five to 20 years. she could easily get probation. but do do you want to gamble? that? she is part of the this is a serious charge i just think the incentives in this case a very different. and there are a wide range of people who are not household names who may decide that this is not something they are willing to bear and put their family through. but joyce, what about the household names? because we know as tonight, there is reporting rudy giuliani is in dire financial straits. his apartment is up for sale. there are mounting legal bills which are not going away any time soon. is that the kind of leverage prosecutors need to suggest that someone in