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Transcripts For MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240707

good to be back. it s great to you have here. do you remember the name brandan van grek? as i have memorable name. if not, the circumstance of which you first heard it? but if you are like me and the first time you heard the name brandon van grabbing is the first time you heard the word he is spee naj formerly associated with the presidency of donald trump. espionage as in the espionage act, not just spy movie stuff, as in u.s. law. we were only about four months in to the trump administration when the new york times was first to report that the then brand new trump administration had made a very unusual hiring decision that ultimately implicated the work of a veteran espionage prosecutor at the u.s. department of justice. it was very early on. may 2017. you think about that for a second, trump was inaugurated at the end of january. this was less than four months later in may of that year, less than four months into his presidency, we learned of the new york times

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 01:20:00

of that plot in the spring of 2017, that veteran espionage prosecutor that led the flynn investigation who we just learned about in the spring of 2017, brandon van grack, he has left the justice department. he left government service. he started his justice department career as a trial attorney in the national security division and prosecuted cases on cyber attacks and money laundering and theft of trade secrets and, yes, espionage. a spy for china out of michigan. a guy who was rubbing the high-tech sanctions on iran. a hacker from kosovo. he gave isis personal information on more than 1300 u.s. government and military personnel. he gave isis that kill list effectively of u.s. government and military personnel. brandon van grack helped

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 01:05:00

flipping over the seriousness of this thing. it s one thing to feel like oh, there is some shenanigans, there is maybe not the best people. there is some incompetence, there is some cavalierness, some stuff to worry about here. but when it s the espionage prosecutor that has to be working on the case involving the new national security adviser, that s bad. right? your country is put in a bad situation. if a new president, a new administration is playing games like that. if that s how it s starting, you can be sure it s not going to end well. and it s likely not going to end for a long time. things like that have long tails. even if the, you know, veteran espionage prosecutor in question has the fan vas tick member of brandon van grack, him income the news in first four months of a new administration and it being about somebody who has the job of national security adviser, that s bad.

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 01:07:00

inherited from them. files seized from a former president part of espionage inquiry. what it meant specifically is that search warrant that they unsealed cited a portion of the espionage act that concerns the handling of national security information that could harm the united states or help our enemies. it means to get that twoornt search the house, prosecutors had to prove to the satisfaction of a federal judge that there was probable cause to believe that at trump s home they would find evidence that that part of the espionage act had been violated. that that crime had been committed. now the first question that raised for many of us was, i mean, the really first question is like is this real? am i dead? is this my life? next question was, is that it? is this the end of it? certain specificity to the question of whether that search

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 01:10:00

disclosure at this junk tour of affidavit supporting probable cause irrepairable damage to this on going criminal investigation. if disclosed, it would serve as a road map to the government s on going investigation providing specific details about its direction and likely course in a manner that is highly likely to compromise future investigative steps. that s all in the justice department s court filing tonight and what we learn from that court filing is that the justice department is expecting further investigative steps. they are contemplating further investigative steps in what they repeatedly describe as an on going criminal investigation. and on going criminal investigation, that implicates national security. so again, one of the main questions about what is going on here is now answered by the justice department s filing this evening. the point of that search warrant last week was not just to go and get the stuff and now they got it. it can be safely put back under

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