countries like that. but to the extent that they will still be there will still be a role for the west and afghanistan will significantly depend far on its humanitarian needs in the future, on help from the west that leverage could still be used. but it must be part of the process of dialogue with them. , ., ., part of the process of dialogue with them. , ., . ,, ., ., them. and ust going back to an issue that them. and just going back to an issue that we them. and just going back to an issue that we kind them. and just going back to an issue that we kind of them. and just going back to an issue that we kind of touched i them. and just going back to an| issue that we kind of touched on them. and just going back to an i issue that we kind of touched on at the beginning, this idea of trying to take them at their word and engaging with them the flip side of it is you have people who have worked with the government over the last two decades, worked with the uk and the us t
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last memory any of us have of the taliban being and power was in the 19905, and it was a dreadful time to be there. so it is understandable that they want to leave, it s also understandable that they helped with the british and american forces, and others, and they probably gained that right to leave now that that hasn t worked in the taliban is now backin hasn t worked in the taliban is now back in power. what i m saying is once this all blows over evacuation is over, which will be in the next few days, the west should not basically. to me, it seems like this dealing with this humanitarian crisis, getting people over is, for the west, some sort of a guilty conscience. we are leaving, we failed afghanistan, let s get as many people as we can, and that s it. the more important task will
you know, it s a good thing to pressurise them, but it s also important to engage them. because what else do we have? the west has relatively no leverage any more and afghanistan. so i think probably on balance, it s better to engage them and try and see if it actually can work, that they will really mean that they have changed as much as they have told us all these months and years that they have. i just and years that they have. i ust want to jump in i and years that they have. i ust want to jump in there, i and years that they have. i just j want to jump in there, because and years that they have. ijust want tojump in there, because you want to jump in there, because you mentioned that word leverage, and clearly that ll be tied to things like money, aid from the us, from the west s point of view. who now do you think has influence over afghanistan? you think has influence over afghanistan? you think has influence over afuhanistan? , , . ., ~ afghanistan? let s be clear, i think