are arguing will usurp their power and freeway their budget. here is elizabeth, chief counsel for the constitutional accountability center, and karen, executive director of the nfib small business legal center. nsib is a party to the case before the supreme court. welcome to you both. thanks for having us. shannon: this has to do with the fact that under the president s health care law, the states will have to take on a bigger medicaid burden. some of them say that it s an unconstitutional power grab. elizabeth, the one they can t afford. how do you respond? many folks were surprised that the court even took the medicaid issue in the first place. it was a complete loser in the lower courts and for good reason. medicaid is and always has been a voluntary partnership we know the federal government and the states. and now it s up before the supreme court and we really have to take it seriously. i think that even if the court upholds the constitutionality of the medicaid expansion, w