can t get into things like solyndra or fast and furious or the gsa scandal simply because everything sometimes to include a deliberative process. so to a certain extent when speaker boehner, the speaker of the house, says we have to make sure we get to a balance that s constitutionally fair, he s fighting for sort ever the freedom and transparency that groups on the left and the right are always encouraging me to make sure that we do protect that balance between the various parts of our government because if our branch doesn t assert itself, ultimately we are no longer the republic our founders wanted us to be. it seems that the president in a lot of ways is not respecting checks and balances and the idea that we have co-equal branches of government. congressman, we will continue to follow this, and i hope the terry family gets the answer they deserve, and i appreciate you being with us. okay. we will make sure the terry family gets their answers. and coming up tonight is preside
states. the idea that congress has the right and duty to investigate. i do not question that, i don t think any of us question that. what i do question, however, is congress insistence while there are parallel investigations taking place by the inspector generals to not allow them to run their course and then congress can certainly do its job. remember, congress investigation can find facts. congress investigation is not going to lead perhaps to charges. if any parties were responsible in any way for the unfortunate death of brian terry, so if it s about brian terry, i think cooler heads smart heads megyn: why do you hold the republicans responsible for that? when this thing first began, elijah cummings who was the top democrat on this committee made a promise to the terry family, and the terry family does not feel that promise has yet been met. let me give you a sample. we will not rest until every single person responsible for all of this. no matter where they are, are
brought to justice. you stood there right to my fist and told me that you would do everything and bring anybody to justice no matter how high up it was and who it was. what happened? don t both parties owe it to the terry family. that is a congressman, mr. cummings saying they ll get to the bottom of it. they obviously do. my take is is that justice for brian terry will not necessarily come through holding attorney general holder in contempt. that justice for the terry family will come by the allowing the inspector generals and both justice and homeland security to do their job, complete their investigations and file a report. megyn: do you think that race is in any way behind the motivation of the republicans who are still pursuing this? i think it s like politics is like thunder, and race may be like lightning. and i tell you why.
can t get into things like solyndra or fast and furious or the gsa scandal simply because everything sometimes to include a deliberative process. so to a certain extent when speaker boehner, the speaker of the house, says we have to make sure we get to a balance that s constitutionally fair, he s fighting for sort ever the freedom and transparency that groups on the left and the right are always encouraging me to make sure that we do protect that balance between the various parts of our government because if our branch doesn t assert itself, ultimately we are no longer the republic our founders wanted us to be. it seems that the president in a lot of ways is not respecting checks and balances and the idea that we have co-equal branches of government. congressman, we will continue to follow this, and i hope the terry family gets the answer they deserve, and i appreciate you being with us. okay. we will make sure the terry family gets their answers. and coming up tonight is preside
we have not refused. chris: has he testified before the committee? he testified for two days. chris: in a public hearing? no, in a private gathering with republicans and democrats under oath. our lawyers were asking those questions. from that we asked for documents. our in te intention is to havem back on a panel along with dennis burke and others. chris: i hate to interrupt but you we have limited time. congressman cummings does that satisfy you? no, i have asked the chairman to bring the atf director nelson before us. he has refused to. we asked for witnesses to come before the public hearing. he has refused to do that. all i m saying is i the chairman in me has a willing partner if we are really going to be about the business of keeping our promise to the terry family. i want to do that. that is so very, very importa t important. but i can tell you that again and i think and i have said it before, chris, i think with