directed was designed to corruptly overturn a defeat in a republican-led state is sickening. and i think vaughn hillyard is going to join us next, is covering him in his 2024 campaign. he hasn t stopped lying about the results of the 2020 election, and i wonder where you think the legal process takes on sort of more pressure and more import than it can handle in our system? yeah, really hard to say. we re in completely new territory in terps of what the system can handle. look, i believe in the system, though, nicole. we ve talked about this before that january 6th in many ways is a spasm of cynicism about government. it is a lot of people that were angry, misled but angry about the sense that government doesn t work for them. holding people accountable for crimes, people like the former president, has the potential to restore confidence.
this morning with special counsel s team. unbeknownst to them, i m assuming, that this was going on, that the southern district of florida was going to be doing this mar-a-lago superseding indictment. we heard trump is paying or his pac is paying for the lawyers that are representing walt nauta, et cetera. do you think that if that s the same fee arrangement we re seeing with this new guy, carlos deoliveira, perhaps that would influence what happens in terps of cooperation with carlos deoliveira? oh, yeah. certainly we know that s part of the reason that donald trump has made sure there s the only explanation to take care of folks. and look, he has a pattern of this behavior. we have seen even in new york in terms of the trump org cases, where allen weisselberg, his cfo would not flip on him and faced time on rikers island, a jail nobody wants to sit in, and he
they don t want to see an incumbent sitting president. a lot of people these there s people that this guy at the top of the ticket is not the one we want. we see consternation with people say that they don t want a rematch with president biden and president trump. so there s angst within both parties. people are looking around. it s such a small sliver of people that decide these elections these days. they want something else, which is why mark makes the points. he s written about this third party issue, no labels. they re doing the work to get on as many ballots as possible. something that would be more of a challenge for rfk. but because of the money, it makes it plausible. martha: what we learned, people don t necessarily tell pollsters what they re thinking. we learned that in the mid terps. we learned that in 2016 to be sure. so, you know, i wonder whenever i hear sort of everybody saying that something can never happen since 2016,
it. could be, copy. it doesn t necessarily mean, i agree to all the terps? exactly. it could be, i m okay. i think of the number of emojis i use from the poop to vegetable emy knowledge gees, could mean i m making dinner, could mean something else. we can t have legally binding contracts good point. i m going to bring john back. on the one hand, it s a great point. on the other hand, he has no rings. how am i going to listen to him when he has no rings? i m going to have fun with this. this is the emoji i send. it s brown. that just means what? that means what? exactly. john, we re going to get into i don t know, be fruitful and prosper. right. respect. we re getting into it, john. i ll tell you. i often i ll do this one. because it really looks like the
modern society we have cib seen an mooring of the foundations. this has been weaponized against fashions of the country that the ruling class does not like, it is we need to reconstitutallize government, but we re facing now is not what the founders intended in terps of how the government should be operating. mark: the principles are throughout the book, my question is you went to yale. you went to harvard law. you grew up under modest means. you are a great baseball player. but through this, particularly yale and harvard, how did you maintain your principles, faith, belief in god, the conservative principles, your parents or what. i talk about in the book, i grew up in dunedin, florida in tampa,