that set off a real alarm bell in ukraine. so the idea that ukrainians was critical of him, i think it s pretty hard to argue that that was interference. yes, they were critical of him, but that was a policy disagreement. it wasn t undue interference in a political election. sandra: that is grabbing the headlines. martha joining us now. martha, the wall street journal, the hill, warned against the fictional narrative. that s grabbing a lot of the headlines. devin nunes will have his chance to question witnesses along with the g.o.p. counsel in that room. what do you expect these republican strategies will be as this year and continues moments from now? martha: just on that note, i think it s really important and i think andy mccarthy waited out really well in terms of the different things we are talking about here. that the president of rudy giuliani hold onto that crowdstrike narrative for a long time. i think that s primarily what fiona was talking about. the difference in te