the kinds of things he did. tom, i m telling you, you and i know each other. i had sean duffy on here last night. i like and respect duffy. good man. he could not say, yeah, he shouldn t have said that about nancy pelosi, it was wrong. all i hear is what i hear from all of you, you got to look at the other side of him, he s angry. people beat you up. would you talk about the teeth of your opponent? would you save he s a bum and he s bad for democracy and he s an enemy? you don t talk like that but you won t tell trump not to and that s why he won t stop doing it. i ve always had a personal relationship with the president. i don t talk about it and throw bombs on the public airwaves. the bottom line is this. he wrote it. it for the american people to judge that letter. i appreciated your reference in the opening segment that people can read this letter and hear
take place because they would rather hurt their political opponent than help their black constituents. that s what it is. the bribery evidence there required removing jefferson, that s the house s version of impeachment. take a look. i intend to hold our colleagues to a higher standard. and when we talk about the standard here, we all know that bringing dishonor on this house is a standard that all of us attempt to meet. and make sure that there is in dishonor brought. the allegations that have been made are extraordinarily serious. they, if proven true, should lead to the expulsion of the member in question. congressman jefferson s wads of cash aren t the same as this ukraine plot. the evidence against trump is way worse. think about this. jefferson went to prison for trading a smaller office for those tens of thousands of dollars. trump facing evidence of trading
congress to do what it is supposed to do? real quick because i have to take a break. by telling him you bring the witnesses you want. we re not subpoenaing people. they ve done that. whoever you want and we will give you the month of january. you re saying just because they have control, you re saying more time to educate the public and the rest of congress while they re in control. it s an interesting point and a point i haven t heard from most of the folks i check with. but you re an original thinking. well, i m a trial lawyer. and i like to win. you can win in the house of representatives. if you go and try the case in the senate, the way things look now there is no way the senate will convict. i love it. i love seeing you two former clerks together. of course, you have gone on to a lot more than clerking. my thanks to both the professor and the trial lawyer. we have a special report when we come back you will want to see with some bad news for trump. we ll be back. d
they re going to help execute this plot. here you have this week giuliani travels to europe to interview you yan kr ukrainians this past week. it is all about the same plot. well, i think he s i think he s trying to talk to potential witnesses against him, frankly. see what problems he s really having. who is going to who is going to turn on him. that s what i think. you think yes. a lot of people thought he was pushing for it. you think this is a defense maneuver. yes, i do. would that be appropriate? no, but it wouldn t be appropriate. not really. not really. while i have you, as i mention to viewers, you win trials against corporations that we re told never lose. you have been quite a trial lawyer. what do you expect and what is important to keep an eye on if there is a trial of trump in the senate? well, my hope is that we
the house. have some more hearings. tell trump and his lawyers, you are welcome. you have the entire month of january to call whomever you want as witnesses. you re raising a strategic point that overlaps with what jerry garcia said. do you remember jerry garcia. uh-huh. you remember him? yes, i do. maybe you had too much too fast. yep. i would slow it up. i would have have hearings. invite him to call hearings. who is he going to call? you want to call witnesses, bring him in. giuliani hasn t been subpoenaed, has he? what privilege does he have not to appear? steve, i m with you on the speed point. i was even with professor turley like you could build a more robust case with more time and more witnesses. but the fact of the matter is there have been subpoenas. there have been requests for witnesses and this president will not let those closest to him testify. so at some point, how is