mr. mcgahn to basically falsify records. the press reported to have the special counsel removed. trump reacts by directing white house officials, tell mcgahn to dispute the story. create the record saying he had not been ordered to have the special counsel removed. is that not evidence of donald trump trying to twaemp the evidence? no. he didn t tell don mcgahn to go to the special counsel and lie. and saying something to the press to get him to defend himself is not telling him to lie. don mcgahn said that s not my recollection. i m not going to do it. the president doesn t loike it but he didn t fire him. he never said, whatever you do, don, don t tell them about the conversation that we had about jeff sessions. so trying to get a sboord national to go out there and publicly defend him. so you re saying that lying to the public is different than