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Threats, a below the threshold of kinetic warfare that statesponsored or homegrown actors are waiting to undermine democracy. Host do you think viktor orban is one of those threats . Guest i do. I do not think viktor orban is a democrat. I think he is an autocrat. I think he has cleverly manipulated hungarian politics to suit his end. Host give us a snapshot of his worldview and his rise to power in hungary. Guest this is his fourth consecutive term in office as prime minister. He is perceived as a bulwark of conservativism in europe standing up to bureaucrats trying to get his country to take in more migrants from the middle east, to allow more rights for the lgbtq community. And he has quite cleverly manipulated hungarian politics to allow his party to remain in power. Host why has he made such a in United States politics . Guest he is standing up to this perceived woke progressivism in europe. Bureaucrats are trying to impose laws on hungary like they do with all e. U. Members. He i

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